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DISINFORMATION, SPYING, INTIMIDATION, THE BIGGEST COVER-UP IN AMERICAN HISTORY

9 years after 9/11, American drug production in Afghanistan has gone from zero to 92% of world output.  Calling the drug business there anything but “American” is a lie.  We don’t just “turn way,” we are in it up to our necks, maybe deeper.  Last week we learned that USAID, part of the Department of State, was supplying fertilizer for opium production.  Testimony that implicates every level of the American government in drug dealing, corruption and even complicity in terrorism has been ignored or suppressed for years.  The American government, in concert with the powerful Israel lobby, is working to silence citizen dissent, suppress “open source” information and control, not just the media but every form of human communication beyond the guarded whisper.

No police state in history is guilty of more.

In particular, I recently read the most recent additions to Dimitri  Khalezov’s book on 9/11.  Khalezov was a Russian “special weapons” officer.  This led his examination to look at applications of advanced technologies tied to the application of particle physics, fission and fusion weapons and “Star Wars” technology which he has a unique understanding of.  What was enjoyable was his non-dogmatic approach.  There are so many theories around regarding 9/11, with government paid “shills” coming up with a new and crazier version almost weekly.  For every pronouncement about Al Qaeda and hijackers the government makes overtly, they make ten pronouncements about space aliens and cosmic death rays on the internet.

We know they do it, they have been caught repeatedly.  These are the actions of a police state.

I am not ready to comprehensively discuss all the reasons that 9/11 is such a disgusting subject.  Suffice it to say that the naked lies the government has foisted on the public for so long are both irrational and patently insane.  This is where Khalezov shines.  He has a way of cutting through the manure.

It is funny to read a Russian discuss 9/11.  One area that we can deal with today and, perhaps, put one minor thing to rest is how the World Trade Center was built and why an aircraft, why 500 aircraft could never hurt it.  Oh, you say, the plane flew right through the building, passing through the thin glass windows and out the other side.

Yup, that’s how it seemed.

How Khalezov describes the outer walls of the WTC is though comparison with a World War II T-34 Russian Tank.  His point is that each of the beams that made up the outside of the building, space 3 feet apart, had four sides, each not only harder but thicker than the armor on a tank.  The analogies used by Khalezov were compelling.

His first point, of course, is that anti-tank rounds are never made of aluminum.  You don’t use aluminum knives.  Aluminum can’t cut steel.

We could go further:  Crashing a Boeing 767 into 20 massive 4 sided hardened steel girders, highly supported and interlaced, cutting through them and eventually bringing down the largest building in the world would be the equivalent of throwing a beer can at a garbage truck.

Want more?  Cutting a steel knife with a piece of cheese?

Derailing a freight train with a thrown marshmallow?  OK, that one is a bit much, but you get the picture.  Aircraft are made of lightweight and very thin aluminum.  The WTC had a massive outer wall of heavy steel, thick enough to armor a tank, a similar center structure around the core and a second wall for a plane to pass through.  No possible amount of aluminum in any shape or configuration at 400 miles per hour or 2000 miles per hour could pass through one steel beam much less dozens.

Pages are spent describing this point nobody has discussed other than Khalezov.  It is clear that Khalezov and David Ray Griffin don’t see “eye to eye” on the methods used to bring the building down.  In many ways, it is a shame that there is a more powerful need to deal with the science before we deal with the criminal intent, especially finding those responsible.  I respect both men for the work they have done and their disagreement is an honest one.  That both manage to disagree with each other and still humiliate the government’s fabrication is both curious and compelling.

This point all are in agreement.  Khalezov is emphatic that the wildest possible conspiracy theory involves box cutters, hijackers and  a massive building “pancaking” to the ground in total free fall while enough steel to build a naval fleet turns into dust. No idiot could believe that, a “hare brained” lie that has proven to be assembled from planted witnesses, misquotes and total fabrications.

If even one of these things were a factor, it would be evidence of a criminal conspiracy.  That all are present, that and the massive government spy operation directed against those seeking the truth, an operation that takes up an entire department header by Cass Sonnenstein, with a title that unavoidably sounds like “Reichs Minister of Propaganda,” we can say “case closed.”  We can also say with some certainty, “No Muslims were harmed in the making of this picture.”

I don’t plan on going there but something haunts me.  Nobody has seen or heard from Osama bin Laden since 2001.  Benazir Bhutto says he was killed then.  Intelligence officials from several countries confirm this privately.  Yet we have a hundred thousand people looking for him, nearly 5,000 have died hunting him after his death was confirmed, as reliable sources tell us.

On the other hand, the “suicide hijackers” we claim were on the planes on 9/11 seem to be, not only alive, but are thinking of suing the networks for being refused entry into the country to go on talk shows.  How can we have dead hijackers kept out of the country because they are on terrorist watch lists?  Doesn’t that stop when you die?

What kind of place are we running here?

But, we are here to talk dissolving steel, magically plummeting buildings and government misconduct.  When the NIST stated that the WTC “pancaked” they misrepresented the amount of concrete in the upper stories.  There was nothing to collapse, only vertical steel, no huge concrete walls, no pillars made of concrete and only thin concrete floors.  They lied.

Almost all the concrete in the buildings is in the foundation, there is little in the upper floors.  They are steel.  It would be like dissolving several aircraft carriers and seeing them blow away with the wind, except this is exactly what we saw.  However, we have seen one other steel building, the Windsor Building, in Madrid, burn for 24 hours.  This building was nowhere as strong and burned, not one hour but for at least a day.

BIGGER FIRE, MUCH LONGER AND HOTTER BURN, WEAKER BUILDING, STILL STANDING

The “government’ runs a website at www.america.gov meant to “debunk” 9/11.  They refer to an article from Popular Science and a study done by the National Institute of Standards.  Few scientists will stand by any of this anymore, they are all either onboard with “9/11 Truth” or protecting their careers with silence.

When we talk about steel no plane could ever penetrate, the NIST does supply a nice photo, though.

EACH GIRDER SIDE THICK AS TANK ARMOR - NO PLANE COULD PASS THROUGH THIS OR 4 OF THESE

My recommendation is to read the book, not because I agree with it or everything it says.  Simply read it because it provides many relevant points, and some clear warnings about how serious government interference has been in the process of finding the truth.

Every lie, every infiltrated group, every bit of ridiculous pseudo-science proves one thing.  9/11 was an inside job and those responsible are still pulling the strings in America.

Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran.  A 100% disabled vet.  He has been a featured commentator on TV and radio including Al Jazeera and his articles have been carried by news services around the world. He has been a UN Diplomat, defense contractor and is a widely published expert on military and defense issues.  This article first appeared in Veterans and Foreign Affairs Journal.

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26 Comments

  1. Earlaiman on the 17. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    When Will the crimes of 9-211 end? It appears that they may never end.

    9-11 Redux, In An Even Bigger Way?

    The US Fleet in the Arabian Sea is a sitting duck for any missiles which may be launched in their direction with an Aircraft Carrier in its sights.

    Definition:
    Aircraft Carrier: A large, thin skinned, essentially unarmored, and poorly protected vessel filled with highly inflammable fluids and materials, and highly-exploxive substances waiting for a missile or a spark to ignite it.

    It would not matter very much just who launched the missiles, ships would burn and men would die, in large numbers. And we would be told immediately whom to blame and whom to bomb to get even.

    Readers should keep in mind that any national government which would condone or tolerate, if not actually participate in, a scheme to murder three thousand of its own citizens as a pretext to justify one war, would have not be very reluctant to sacrifice one or two of its mighty fleet and a few thousand of its sailors and marines to provide another pretext to justify one more war.

    Earlaiman

  2. Rehmat on the 17. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    Well – some of the US groups which refuse to accept the official 9/11 story – have been declared “Top 10 anti-Israel” groups in the US.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/10/16/top-10-anti-israel-groups-in-us/

  3. NadePaulKuciGravMcKi on the 17. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    modern day warrior mean mean stride todays tom sawyer mean mean pride

  4. RichardG on the 17. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    I have friends who grew up in the former Soviet Evil Empire. They got their only real information from Radio Free Europe and other “enemy” sources, for which they were very grateful. It seems as if Dimitri Khalezov and RT.com are trying to return the favor now that the USA has become a police state. Thanks, guys!
    David Ray Griffin and Mike Rivero are our samizdat authors, like Solzhenitsyn. We have it much easier than Soviet citizens did. We have the internet, a genie that won’t go back in the bottle.

  5. jewbela on the 17. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    Its time to stop talking and start chalking.

  6. Bob M on the 18. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    Gordon,

    You photo caption says: “EACH GIRDER SIDE THICK AS TANK ARMOR – NO PLANE COULD PASS THROUGH THIS OR 4 OF THESE”

    but the columns cut by the airplane wing were as thin as 1/4 inch:

    Column plate thickness varied from 1/4 inch to 5/8 inch in the impact zone of WTC 1 for floors 89-101, and from 1/4 inch to 13/16 inch in the impact zone of WTC 2 for floors 77-87.
    http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/WTC_apndxB.htm

    The 767 wings obviously did pass through the (thin) exterior box columns for all to see.

  7. nobodysaysBOO on the 18. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    “Americans are not STUPID,they are just convinced of SO many things that are just not so.”
    by a black American from the last century whats his name?

  8. Ross on the 18. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    Getting people to look at the evidence is the difficult task.For many ,it is just too impossible to even consider,but for those who have studied history,not so.

    Many of these ae911truth debunkers would rather believe in miracles,ie JC rose from the dead than believe in scientific realities.

  9. Mihail on the 18. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    Just take a look at this.
    Military C-130 Hercules plane crashed into tower block in Iran NO COLLAPSE !
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZKf0s4aqkU
    http://www.realzionistnews.com

  10. albury on the 20. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    C-130s weigh ~1/3 of what a 767 weighs, and the C-130 in Iran wasn’t going 440-540 mph, so there are two reasons for substantially less KE at impact. There is also very little likelihood that the Iranian C-130 was carrying 9500 gallons of fuel for a cross-county trip, and you haven’t specified the type of construction in the building that was hit in Iran. Given the fact that there was no evidence at all that any WTC building was demolished with explosives, your comment and its implications make no sense whatsoever.

  11. SHILL SMELLED on the 25. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    Albury forgets that Niels Harritt, Steven Jones, and a host of REAL SCIENTISTS, not GOP WHORES and DISINFO SHILLS, proved that nano-thermite was used to bring the buildings down. Also, Albury seems to forget Bldg 7 went down several hours later, in controlled demolition fashion, penthouse and center of the building collapsing inwards in PERFECT CONTROLLED DEMOLITION FASHION, with no jet aircraft hitting it.

    Albury is a DISINFO SHILL.

    47 inner support columns exposed to moderately RICH kerosene fires that didn’t even burn for an hour, did not bring those towers down.

    Dominic Suter’s URBAN MOVING SYSTEMS guys who were camped out in the towers for months, did that.

    Go somewhere else with your shilling, Albury. You are exposed as a disinfo shill. You need to give it up, the cat is OUT OF THE BAG!!!

    WhatBuilding.org

  12. albury on the 29. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    Your Bentham “researchers” are obliquely claiming that something suspicious was found in the WTC dust, yet don’t even provide exemplars of it or anything close to it for comparison, only that sulfur, rust, aluminum, silicon, and other common materials “remind” them of it. They’re also claiming that it was painted on steel building columns that were virtually inaccessible, and where secretly planting or painting anything would have been impossible because of the finishes surrounding them, and then making the further impossible claim that vertical surfaces of steel columns, the majority of which were in plain sight, could have been secretly severed neatly and in a straight line using this miracle substance and method, even some that were in raging infernos for an hour or so. All of this allegedly happened despite the fact that no columns or other pieces of structural steel with ends severed by explosives or incendiaries were found in the debris, so they’ve dutifully presented photos of torch-cut columns that were nowhere near the collapse initiation levels as “evidence.”
    The gullible folks who believe this yarn can’t even dream up a coherent narrative for it that incorporates the plane crashes and later collapses, and have no plausible motive for anyone they’re libeling with their nonsense to have done it, but they can apparently accuse people who don’t drink their Kool-Aid of being “disinfo shills.”

  13. give it up dude, you're exposed as an ISRAELI SHILL on the 29. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    oh, Albury, give it up already. You are such a clueless boy. We have proof of the thermate use in the ’3′ buildings. Wanna elaborate on what happened to WTC-7, which was not hit by anything, and had only one small fire in one small portion of the building?

    wanna cite another case of steel construction building collapse due to fires??

    your argument is crap. you can’t come up with a logical reason how JET-A, burning at tops, 1100 degrees, based on thermal imagery, could destroy 47 core support columns and make the building fall at FREE FALL SPEED. it’s not possible without demolition.

    and you know that, don’t you, SHILL??

    yes you do. because these buildings, all three of them, were able to withstand multiple aircraft hits and still remain standing.

    we have firemen who did survive, who can attest to the demolitions explosions going off in these buildings.

    you can hawk all sorts of crap here, but it won’t stand up. THERMATE WAS FOUND IN SO MANY SAMPLES. how did it get there?

    explain how several inch thick steel can turn into molten slag and burn for months underground at 2,000 degrees, without THERMATE helping it out?

    you can’t. and you know you can’t.

    there is so much proof of demoltion, and we know who did the work, and they were released to Israel even after they detonated their van in front of police.

    ever hear of Dominic Suter, or URBAN MOVING SYSTEMS, or for that matter, the nearly 500 k buck they got paid by the U.S. Treasury for putting explosives into the buildings?

    or about the ’5′ dancing Israelis who were caught in New Jersey celebrating the demolition, who later went home to Israel to brag about this??

    wanna tell me how a building not struck by any aircraft parts could collapse without demolition, when Barry Jennings was escorted out of it by firefighters, while the count down was happening, walking thru debris in the lobby, and dead bodies blown up by demolition charges??

    your crap is so weak. Give it up dude. you are in way above your lying feckless shill head here!!

  14. albury on the 30. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    “wanna cite another case of steel construction building collapse due to fires??”

    Sure:

    http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/firesafetyengineering%26theperformanceofst

    Would you like to explain the purpose of SFRM and other types of fireproofing mandated by code on all steel in steel-framed hi-rises?
    And if Barry Jennings witnessed all this stuff, why didn’t the FDNY?

  15. SoBusted YouAre on the 30. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    FDNY did witness this stuff, asshole. and don’t put up this horse shit you pawn off as real research.

    I can’t tell you how disgusting you are coming in here and justifying mass murder.

    you are such a fucking shill. Are you in Tel Aviv??

    by the way, fireproofing is not THERMITE. THERMITE is for DEMOLITION.

    there are hours upon hours of videos on You Tube of firemen talking about demolitions explosions going off in those towers.

    and you still, asshole, did not answer my question about Bldg-7.

    why is that?? Why did Bldg. 7 collapse? it wasn’t seriously damaged.

    your assertions about ‘raging fires’ doesn’t cut it in the other two towers. IR signatures of the buildings immediately after the planes hit, show that the fires were too rich and oxygen starved to be hot enough to compromise steel.

    How did the one hispanic lady stand on the opening of the slot in the building if that steel was so hot?

    you know you are busted, asshole. You are. your bullshit about the collapse of the buildings is bullshit and lies and you know that NO STEEL BUILDING HAS EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, COLLAPSED AFTER HOURS OF RAGING FIRES.

    don’t give me this shit about why did the FDNY not know. They know. And they’re vocal about it.

    they goddamned would choke your sorry lying ass for the deaths of their friends if they could get their hands around your scummy Israeli neck, dork..and you know what?

    I’d help them. or better yet, I’d throw your ass off a high rise and listen to you scream, you lying piece of Israeli propaganda spewing shit.

    too bad the cat’s out of the bag, Albury. You cannot put it back. People world wide know about the THERMITE and Dominic Suter and the dancing israelis, and how they were in the buildings, living in tents while they committed their mass murdering.

    someday, once it reaches critical mass here, fuckers like yourself are going to pay the price for your lies, and I hope you truly suffer a long, long long time when your time comes to get yours.

    FDNY did indeed report the explosions, you pile of waste! You are such a pathetic liar.

  16. ALBURY EXPOSED on the 30. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    hate to tell you Albury but your link doesn’t wash. It doesn’t explain how there is a single instance of a single steel core skyscraper that was exposed to fire, ‘collapsing’ as you assert.

    the SFRM doesn’t equate to THERMATE, either.

    and the F.D.N.Y., in video after video after video, cites multiple cacaphony style detonations as they were leaving the towers before they collapsed. This cannot be from the jet fuel that burnt out a long time before this happened.

    You didn’t address the issue of how the laws of energy conservation were ‘cheated’ and the core skeleton resistance of the building ‘went away’ when the 47 columns would not have been compromised by fires high up in the structure of these buildings. We have videos showing detonations along the entire length of these buildings, when the demolition charges severed the core columns.

    and you didn’t say a word about how the steel got to more than 2,000 degrees and remained that hot for months, when the fuel fires did not get beyond 1100 degrees fahrenheit due to the fires being fuel rich and not optimized.

    and lastly, you failed to even touch on Urban Moving Systems and their team being in the buildings for months, living in tents, putting the explosives into the buildings. Why is this?

    We know they got paid by the U.S. Treasury. We know they detonated their van in front of police who responded to calls about them. We know the F.B.I. let them flee to Israel so they could brag on Israeli television about what they did in New York for the MOSSAD.

    why is it that you cannot answer any of these questions with valid, concise, to the point answers??

    why is that, Albury?

    because, you are a SHILL, that’s why. An ISRAELI SHILL.

  17. Albury LIES AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN on the 30. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    and last but not least, Albury, you attacked the Bentham Commons paper last year, and didn’t produce any substantiating information to lend creedence to your horse shit here about the THERMITE found in the dust.

    you just prattle on about crap that doesn’t even indicate you study the opposition argument that proves you are a disinformation shill and liar for the government or Israel.

    I remember your butt now. You disparaged Steven Jones, and Doctor Gage, and Niels Harrit, for no good reason, inferred they are ‘liars’ without proving that, and then came up with a bunch of horse shit about THERMITE IS NOT THERMITE WHEN IT’S FOUND IN NY BUILDINGS ON 9/11.

    simple fact is, nothing you have presented shoots us down. You fail to show ANY proof of ANY SKYSCRAPER which had been on fire and collapsed from the fire. Then you cite shit about fire retardant (which is NOT thermitic) and then you pull the discredit Barry Jennings and DOZENS OF NYFD firefighters who were in the buildings and are on videotapes talking about demolition explosions going off.

    and to me, that’s the LOWEST FORM OF SCUM there is, that you are, because you can put shit like that out when people died that day, and you have no conscience about mass murder by the governments of the U.S. and Israel here.

    and to be honest, you are the lowest form of scum for doing that, knowingly LYING here, to cover their sorry asses with thin, totally outrageous bullshit.

    and that’s pathetic, just like your crap last year in here!

  18. albury on the 30. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    I think we should investigate Richard Gage, not the WTC collapses, which have already been investigated by much more qualified, competent, and honest people. The NIST engineers were only able to time the top 18 stories, or 242′, of the collapse of WTC 7′s facade, and determined that it took 5.4 seconds, yet he claims that the entire 610′ collapse only took ~6.5 seconds. Did the other 368′ fall in just over 1 second? How is he even able to give us a time for the entire visible portion of the collapse when NIST couldn’t because buildings in the foreground blocked the view of video cameras?
    How could the towers have free fallen when the loose, airborne debris from their upper stories was falling so much faster than the collapse zones, and began hitting the ground while at least 40 stories in each were still intact? Was g increased on 9/11? They fell in ~15 and ~22 seconds respectively, nowhere near the ~9.25 seconds free fall would have taken:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/40/qLShZOvxVe4

    yet he begins every presentation with his near free-fall claim. He’s also claimed that the dust clouds from the collapses were pyroclastic, but there are no reports of anyone’s skin being instantly peeled off, and he’s claimed that the fires in WTC 7 were minor, totally contradicting these NYC eyewitnesses:

    http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires
    http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage
    http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

    How could his claim that 400,000 yards of concrete were turned to fine powder be true, when there was <100,000 yards of concrete above grade in both towers combined? Does he know how to turn 400,000 yards of concrete to fine powder with explosives without leveling NYC?
    Has he ever seen a controlled demolition that left molten metal in the debris for months? Has he ever seen one that didn't leave even one explosively-cut column in the debris? Since he claims that explosives were planted in the core columns to start the collapses, and that it was done from elevators shafts, has he ever looked a floor plan of the cores above the 78th floor sky lobby? There were only 6 regular elevators above there, plus a freight and 2 express elevators, and they were only near 6 of the 47 core columns. Several of those were in the paths of the planes, and the perimeter columns collapsed first, so his "theory" doesn't even make sense, especially considering the fact that 30 or more stories of core framing stood 15-25 seconds after each tower's main collapse was over.
    We should investigate Richard Gage, as well as his "engineers."

    http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3834688&postcount=12

  19. albury on the 31. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    Have you ever even bothered to READ the Bentham paper to study your own argument, since you’ve obviously never read NCSTAR 1 or 1A? It provides no exemplars of anything for comparison, and simply states that rust, aluminum, sulphur, silicon, etc. “remind” them of nanothermite. Gage isn’t a “Doctor,” and if your other “researchers” think nanothermite or anything else keeps steel molten for months, why don’t they design a boiler around it so I can heat my house without buying fuel oil? Please feel free to get some of your miracle substance, paint it on some in-place steel columns, and show us how it works. Liars find photos of WTC columns that were cut with acetylene torches during the cleanup and present them as “evidence,” as Dr. Jones did right here on page 32:

    http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf

    The “lowest form of scum” libels people with total nonsense, and then pretends to care about the victims of the 9/11 al Qaeda attack on the US, as you’re doing right here.

    Btw, how many of those “DOZENS OF NYFD firefighters” are in your “truth movement”? Here’s the link to the “Firefighters” for “Truth” petition:

    http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=469

    Don’t they care what killed ~340 of their own people, or aren’t they as smart as you are?

  20. SUMMARY on the 31. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    listen, sport, just do the world a favor and show how THERMITE is a normal building material.

    and also, how 1100 degree fahrenheit fire is going to melt two inch thick steel of the 47 support columns of the inner skeletons of the buildings.

    lastly, tell us how BLDG-7, not hit by aircraft debris, without significant fire, could collapse into it’s own footprint without it too being demolished by Dominic Suter’s IDF demolitions boys.

    when you can cob together all that evidence, then post it.

    don’t be posting your Israeli IDF garbage in here without hard facts to back it up with, because WE have the hard evidence of the THERMITIC explosives in all of those buildings, and you have nothing but links to bullshit.

    and that is a summary of where this stands. You did not answer a single question with a valid rebuttal about the THERMITE in the towers, and you failed to show how those core support columns would offer ZERO RESISTANCE in a building fire.

    your stuff is bullshit…and obviously, you, Albury, also meet that sad, pathetic description as a PROPAGANDA SHILL for Israel.

  21. albury on the 31. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    My own summary:
    “THERMITE” isn’t what Dr. Jones and Co. claimed was found in the WTC dust, “sport,” and NIST never said that any steel columns in the WTC melted to cause a collapse. If you’d really like to know why WTC 7 collapsed, read NCSTAR 1A.
    “ZERO RESISTANCE” free fall from 1368′= ~9.25 seconds, and the WTC towers fell much more slowly:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/39/qLShZOvxVe4
    There are no videos of the entire WTC 7 facade collapse, so how did Richard Gage and other 9/11 “researchers” come up with 6.5 seconds, when a good guess would be ~10 seconds, and NIST timed the top ~242′ in ~5.4 seconds? You aren’t terribly bright, are you?

  22. TRUTH on the 31. Oct, 2010 remarked #

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    These people have been willing to go out on a limb and identify themselves as those who absolutely refuse to buy the official bullshit story that 19 poorly trained, utterly clueless arab hijackers with box cutters defeated NORAD, after prancing around the globe and leaving so many popcorn trails that no terrorist would ever have done, prior to carrying out such an impossible task, given who they were, and how this was accomplished.

    I urge you to watch this video:

    Pandora’s Black Box: FLT-77
    http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=4648624627192508186&hl=en

    and this one:
    http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=3752900324142560520&hl=en

    and this documentary “ZERO: An Investigation into 9/11″
    http://snardfarker.ning.com/page/zero-an-investigation-into-911

  23. Mark Basile on the 31. Oct, 2010 remarked #

    THERMITE IS CONFIRMED

    http://www.youtube.com/user/ae911truth#p/u/11/JZNQq7XBLwc

  24. albury on the 01. Nov, 2010 remarked #

    “FDNY did witness this stuff,”

    Really? Here’s the petition from the “Firefighters” for 9/11 “Truth”:

    http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=469

    How many signatories are FDNY?

  25. albury on the 01. Nov, 2010 remarked #

    Regarding “Building What?”:

    re: http://www.nyccan.org/

    To Whom it May Concern:

    If you need to mount a campaign to inform NYC council members and others of the fact that WTC 7 collapsed almost 7 hours after the North Tower came down on 9/11, then what was the reason for its alleged controlled demolition in the first place? Did the US government need an additional building collapse that day that took no lives, well after both towers, WTCs 3, 4, 5, and 6, four airliners, and part of the Pentagon had already been destroyed or badly damaged, and nearly 3000 innocent people had been violently murdered, to get its almost unanimous congressional resolution to go to war in Afghanistan where al Qaeda was headquartered and where President Clinton sent Tomahawk missiles in response to their previous coordinated and deadly suicide operations against two US embassies in Africa in 1998?

    How on earth do you “bring justice” to Mr. McIlvaine’s remarkable and beloved son Robert G. by libeling 230+ NIST experts, Larry Silverstein, and countless others with absurd claims based on junk science by profiteering charlatans like Richard Gage and his “engineers,” and by harassing NYC council members for a new investigation when you obviously haven’t even bothered to read NCSTAR 1A, which is the product of a thorough and very competent investigation by people with real credentials, including its leader, who has an Sc.D. from MIT in structural engineering and at least 20 years of experience in the field? Robert wasn’t even in WTC 7 when Muhammad Atta flew the hijacked Boeing 767 into WTC 1 ten stories below him on the morning of 9/11/01, and when he was suddenly and unexpectedly doomed to death along with everyone else in his group and everyone above the 92nd floor, nearly nine hours before the late afternoon collapse of WTC 7. The fire department feared that it would eventually collapse, which is why they abandoned any effort to fight the fires and pulled everyone back a safe distance, preventing more “terrible loss of life.”

    Robert’s death was a tragic loss, and my profound sympathy for Mr. McIlvaine is hard to put into words, but I’d like you and anyone else who’s thinking of signing your petition to answer the following questions first, since you’ve fallen prey to the manipulative liars of the 9/11 “truth movement” and think Larry Silverstein blew up his property or knew about it:

    -Why would Larry Silverstein have publicly admitted even to knowing that there were planted explosives in WTC 7 in the first place?

    -What was Silverstein Properties’ and the FDNY’s motive for blowing up a perfectly good, 14 year-old building, losing hundreds of millions of dollars in cash flow from it for eight years and counting, spending ~$700 million, or most of the $861 million insurance settlement, on the replacement of it, and paying ~$500 million back to lenders?
    (note: it was built in 1986-1987, at least 15 years after asbestos was written out of all building codes, and it had no asbestos in its SFRM or elsewhere. There was some on the first 38 floors of the North Tower, most of which had been abated during various tenant fit-outs well before he won the lease by default when Vornado’s deal with the PA fell though, but none in the South Tower, which was built after the code change went into effect)

    -Why would any insurance company have paid him a dime instead of the $4.68 BILLION total he received if he publicly admitted to foreknowledge of or complicity in the alleged secret demolition of his property, but especially those based in Copenhagen, Zurich (2 of them), and London? They contested his claim of two occurrences based on two separate planes, and he won in court in a few instances based on individual contract wording, but there was never any question relating to the causes of any WTC collapse.

    -How did he or the FDNY know that flaming debris from a much taller collapsing hi-rise across the street would hit WTC 7, start multi-story fires in it, and break the water main to it, disabling the sprinklers and providing a cover story for the alleged controlled demolition?

    -If the explosives were pre-planted, which would have taken weeks or even months in a vacant building and have been completely impossible to do secretly in an occupied one, and Barry Jennings heard some of them go off around 10 AM, why was there any discussion at all in mid-afternoon about whether or not to demolish WTC 7 with the other apparently fireproof explosives a few stories higher?

    -Do controlled demolitions take seven or eight hours to collapse a building?

    -Do they leave no severed columns with copper residue on the ends, or any other evidence in the debris?

    -Do they leave ~12 stories on one corner standing?

    -Is the FDNY in the controlled demolition business? What other buildings, on fire or not, have they demolished before or since 9/11?

    -Please link me to a C/D contractor’s web site, and show me the use of “pull” or “pull it” to refer to building demolition using explosives, not one in which cables are used to pull an already damaged building over, as was done with WTC 6.

    -How does a “terrible loss of life” in the WTC towers affect a later decision to demolish a nearby building with no one in it?

    -There was a pre-existing ConEd substation at the Vesey Street WTC 7 site in 1986, and the building was designed to straddle it, requiring some of the extremely long ~45′ girder and ~52′ beam spans inside that contributed to the 9/11 collapse. It was powered up and in full use on 9/11/01, and the demolition of a 200,000 ton, 47-story building directly on top of it very likely destroyed it completely. Do you know whether ConEd’s insurers just absorbed the loss of tens of millions of dollars in infrastructure damage and restoration and then subrogated Industrial Risk Insurers, since Larry Silverstein’s firm was still the responsible party, especially if he deliberately caused the damage?

    You are not honoring the memory of Mr. McIlvaine’s highly successful and accomplished young son or any of the other victims of the 9/11 al Qaeda attacks on the WTC towers by demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of the events that occurred that day, and by falsely implicating people who were totally uninvolved in the planning or execution of the Planes Operation, as 9/11 was known to the Arab terrorists behind it.

    Sincere best wishes,

    Albury

  26. albury on the 01. Nov, 2010 remarked #

    Edna Cintron, the Hispanic lady mentioned above, was standing in the hole made by AA 11, which had just severed 35 perimeter columns and heavily damaged two others on that side, along with severing 6 core columns and heavily damaging 3 others. Most of the plane debris ended up on the south, or opposite side of the tower, and it took most of the combustible office contents with it. Only the 9/11 “truth movement” is dishonest enough to claim that the fires on the 95th floor and above were “minor,” based on that photo, when they looked like this from the south side of the North Tower:
    http://www.debunking911.com/Fire.jpg
    Do you just like liars?

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